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发表于 2003-10-24 22:16:10 | 显示全部楼层
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我向knoxxxx訂購7次  有3次漏寄煙草(但Mark都有補寄)  你再去函詢問看看

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发表于 2003-10-24 22:21:59 | 显示全部楼层
同情各位村友的遭遇,我很相信 Upshall 兄的初衷是为大家推荐好店,因为虽然我自己并未在 Knoxcigar 购买过物品,但是总觉得他们的信誉是很不错的。

在下也刚刚打算和朋友一起从 Knoxcigar 订购几款国内根本找不到的烟草 ... 想不到 Knoxcigar 居然会出现这样的失职,太不应该了。记得曾经在 Pipes.org 见过 Knoxcigar 和 Tobaccodirect 的 fans 互相指责,心想会不会是斗商攻奸。这回几位资深村友有类似的遭遇,我真的相信了。

我建议在 Knoxcigar 有类似遭遇的村友都跟个贴。然后联名去信,尽量搞清楚事件,希望达成双赢的解决办法,否则再想办法将遭遇在各个友站公开,我想公开的时候把交易号码全部或部分公开,不过这是下一步,或者是最后一步了。我留意到 Knoxcigar 最近改版了,不知道有没有卖盘或者改换 management ..

最近在下很忙,但是会密切关注这件事情,有需要帮忙的话请随时联系我,我会尽量在搞清楚事件后为村友讨回公道。

普京说过很有意思的一句话,大意是:尽量远离任何可以避免的无谓纠纷,但一旦觉得有必要行动,就要把对方彻底 ...

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 楼主| 发表于 2003-10-25 00:13:06 | 显示全部楼层
小弟已经把问题在ASP公开讨论。

http://tinyurl.com/s7da

注:这是美国网站,想加入讨论的村友,还请尽量避开政治,种族,宗教的字眼。
[此贴子已经被作者于2003-10-25 0:13:06编辑过]

大家保重,请别为小弟争论,最好从此别提小弟的笔名。

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发表于 2003-10-24 23:37:20 | 显示全部楼层

無法追蹤?

Joseph 大哥, 現在的問題是,k公司說已經將煙草寄出(我相信已寄出),但是我卻沒有收到,而且不知道我的煙草目前在什麼地方? 他們要我等,如果我的煙草沒有人領將會退回他們公司,到時候他們會再寄給我,只是....我已等了快3個月了....
其實,收不收的到煙草還是其次(不過也滿重要的啦) 重要的是我希望處理事情的態度要加強,也許錯不在他們,也許是郵局方面的疏失,如果他們事後有誠意幫我,縱然到最後我依然沒有收到煙草,我也不會對他們這麼失望,我只是希望多一點尊重,別一直要我乾等

ps: Joseph 大哥,我是女生啦....

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Miss Cat

Oh! 我中英文俱差  見諒  文章老是看一半
我目前對k公司評語是
回‧不貳過矣。

認錯‧知錯‧又犯錯。  吾等稱之為    勇於認錯  死不悔改

亦或  毫無反省與對策之能力也
抱歉  我不知道妳是女生   

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From: Pete Zaring <XXXX@esper.com>
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Arthur,

As it looks like you can do a great job of speaking
English I hope we can both take this opportunity to
clear up some things that have also bother us greatly.


First item with the package that has not gotten to the
fellow there really is nothing that we can do.  This
is one of the reasons that we have a disclaimer on the
site about mailing packages and how we are not
responsible for lost shipments.  Saying this I will
say we will not just leave this fellow in the lurch
without anything but as I have repeatedly tried to
tell him it takes months sometimes for packages to get
to people.  I had a customer in Belguim that it took
in excess of three months for the package to get to
him.  For what ever reason when a package gets held up
like this in customs it just sits there and goes no
where for how ever long they decide it will sit there.
Also, the United State Postal Service does not have
any resposibility for a package once it leaves this
country so they will not do anything about trying to
track the package.  The only thing they will do is go
to the web site and imput the numbers and say there is
no information on that package.  And, just like I said
they will just look at me and shrug their shoulders
and look perplexed and wonder why I came in there at
all.  I don't say this to be flipant but that is
exactly what they have done to me when I went in to
get this traced.  What will happen is if the package
is not delivered to the customer at some point in time
and this could take months as well they will send the
package back to us.  If this happens I would then
contact the person we were sending the package to and
ask them if they would like to go through the expense
of me resending the package or if they would just like
a refund of the purchase price on the items purchased.
We are all at the mercy of the USPS I am afraid.  The
only way to do this any better is if we would all like
to go through the expense of sending them via Fed Ex
and if this is done you will pay all the import duties
on the purchase and a huge amount for the shipping.
One of the reasons people order on line is because
they are trying to avoid the taxes and duties and
extra costs.  So, there is no way to avoid all this.
Thus all I can say to the fellow if we need to just
wait and see.  I have sent thousands of packages out
world wide and not one has just gotten lost and not
either returned or gotten to the person ordering at
some time.  It just has not happened.  This is very
unfortunate but I can not control the postal services
of not only my country but all the others world wide
either.  I hate this situation and it frustrates me
just as much as the person who made the order.

On the broken pipe.  I have already made the offer to
him to replace the pipe and ship the missing tin of
tobacco at no cost to him what so ever.  I have not
asked for him to send the broken pipe back or do
anything except wait on the new pipe to arrive with
the tin of tobacco and I have already sent this out to
him.  So, I don't see where he has anything to be
upset about.  We have shipped thousands of pipes and
this is the first pipe to have been broken at all.
And, that is the truth.  We have never had a pipe
broken yet and we have never taken the bit out of the
pipes before shipping.  This is a very rare occasion
as you can see but in any case if we are willing to
replace the pipe at no cost what so ever to the
customer and send it at no cost to him I fail to see
why this is an issue at all.

And Lastly the tobacco problems.  we are guilty of a
couple of things that have now been fixed.  We had
some complaints about how the bulk blends were put on
the web site as it seems many thought that when the
drop down box showed the +24.00 or what ever the price
was a few did not realize that meant you should add
that amount to the base amount and you would get the
total price you needed to pay for what ever amount you
were wanting to get.  So, to try and correct this we
changed the way we sold the bulk tobacco and in so
doing caused more confusion here and thus some orders
did not get the whole amount of tobacco they had
actually ordered and this happened to many people.  I
think we created more of a problem than if we had left
it the way it was but, we had made some mistakes as to
the actual quantity people had ordered and thus we had
sent wrong quantities to people.  If any one brought
this to our attention we sent them the corrected
amount.  So, if anyone did get the wrong amount and
did not tell us then we would not know to correct this
for them.  This was our fault any way you look at it
and we do appologize for this.  We most definately
have taken steps to insure this will not happen any
more.

We have made several changes to our shipping system to
double and sometime triple check the orders so this
does not happen any more.  I hope we will get through
all this and not have any more problems there is
nothing worse on our end to have orders go out from
here and not be right.  I hope this addresses all of
your concerns and I really hope you will all forgive
us any of these errors and know we do strive for
perfection and will do our best to insure it does not
continue to happen.  We do very much like to deal with
all of you fellows there and hope we can get through
this time of turmoil.  Please let me know what else I
might do.

Thanks so much,
Mark

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謝謝你的幫忙
我從沒看過有人寄煙斗是煙斗與煙嘴插在一起  然後用一層薄氣泡袋包起來  和一堆鐵盒煙草放在一個紙盒內 沒有其他保護  一點都不尊重客戶的貨物  誰能接受???? 訂購煙草老是少寄   不是一句 補寄就了事 要有改進的作為  一錯再錯    毫無反省與對策之能力也   這廝到底有沒有概念

Mark 認錯&#8231;知錯&#8231;又犯錯。實在是 勇於認錯 死不悔改  

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发表于 2003-10-25 23:10:08 | 显示全部楼层

團結才是力量

Upshall兄所貼Mark的信件,是我看過Mark最長的回應。我也碰過該網站所寄煙草品項不足、bulk選擇4oz,卻只寄2oz,但帳單仍是顯示4oz價錢的情形,也遇到bulk不足重的問題,約略少了20%,這是為了平分,經電子磅秤秤重後才知道,試問:有可能每位村友家中都備有一台可秤輕微重量的機器嗎?大多數人恐怕是吃了虧但不知情。該次我向此網站回應,他們承認磅秤有問題,也答應在下次訂購時補寄,但事後我將其回文連同新購品項寄交後,他們並無補寄我們遇到的損失,更是隻字未提,好像根本沒這件事。而對於寄錯煙草一事,向該網站回應,卻是得不到任何回復,這次看到Upshall兄多次替村友爭取應有的權利,很是感激,也對曾發生在自己身上的一些遭遇有些感慨,孤軍奮戰,卻落得對方懶得理你的下場,他老兄遠在美國,與我們相隔甚遠,根本不怕你找上門。重量不足、包裝隨便、品項錯誤,任何不該犯的錯都有,更嚴重的是一錯再錯、習慣成自然,例如寄錯煙草一事,個人就碰過完全相同的兩次錯誤,希望這次在眾村友的去函反映下,該公司不會再對我們這些與他相距較遠、不能上門索賠的斗客再以馬虎草率的態度應付,Joseph兄客氣了,「勇於認錯」還算特殊待遇,「不理不睬」也是可能的反應方式之一,「死不悔改」倒是非常貼切。這是目前的情形,希望將來會改變。

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 楼主| 发表于 2003-10-26 00:48:44 | 显示全部楼层
各位斗友,

坦白说,这也是在下由此以来写的最长的投诉信,很遗憾的还需要把它公开,不过很多问题还是需要处理的。

以下是引用小曾在2003-10-25 23:10:08的发言:
Upshall兄所貼Mark的信件,是我看過Mark最長的回應。
大家保重,请别为小弟争论,最好从此别提小弟的笔名。

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I hope this does us all some good.  We can always
improve on our service and I hope you understand
nothing was ever done on purpose.  We are working on
methods to be able to show what the shipping would be
for international orders but we do not have that
capability as of yet.  We are somewhat limited to what
we can do with the current situation and software we
are using.  this is always something we are working on
to improve and at some point I do expect this will
improve.  I have already sent out the new pipe and
missing tin of tobacco to Joseph in Taiwan but I had
not really ever before your email heard about the one
fellow that had a problem with the shipping.  We
charge exactly 1 dollar more than the actual cost to
ship our international packages so we don't make any
money on them at all this is just to defray part of
the cost of the packaging materials etc.  The rest
actually goes to the post office.

Please ask any one there that feels there has been a
mistake to let us know and we will take care of them.
Or maybe give a better explination no one had
complained to me that they did not like the
explination we can at times be a bit short if we are
hard at work trying to get the packages out.  Until
recently the entire operation on the site was taken
care of by me and Keith so it was a lot of work for
two guys.

Mark

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