crany
发表于 2010-8-14 01:19:30
说实话,国人有乱封大师综合症,这点从zf都有工美大师这个职称就可见一斑
无论是做烟斗做紫砂壶做扇子做橄榄核雕还是做砚台等一干男人玩具的,说大了是个匠人,说小了不过有些手艺罢了,这个群体里肯定偶尔会出那么一两个有点艺术天份的但无疑不可能人人都有。但是作为销售商使用强调这个并不断给消费者灌输人人都是大师然后营造神秘气氛再抬高价格的拙劣营销手段还真不是一般的招人讨厌。所以很久没从国内销售商手里买东西了,烟斗不过是个木雕或者石雕的工具,用苛刻的眼光审视几乎所有土耳其产的海泡石烟斗和很大一部分石楠手工斗连正品都算不上,不知道哪儿来的那么多崇拜。
到了人家地盘然后疯狂拍马屁并且打压同行说白了就是见的市面太少,多去几回就好了,而且总不能用太高的标准要求斗商,需知他们大部分原来是在花鸟市场卖漠河烟起家的。好在拜网络所赐我们可以越过国内斗商直接从鬼佬那里拿货,也希望国内制斗人多多努力,争取尽快连国际邮费都省掉才是最为妥帖的办法。
LeslieNg
发表于 2010-8-14 17:34:09
Pan 兄弟, "Joseph Pan" 是不是你啊?
太好玩了,形势悄然出现了逆转变化,光把那些扯蛋事尽量推掉不足以弥补兄弟出队的成本,我们还要把野火小心翼翼地烧回去 ...
当然,出于国际礼节,点到即止就好了,绝不要玩残人家,搞个坛子不容易,这点我最清楚。
烟斗10年整
发表于 2010-8-14 21:12:44
建议村长另开个英文版块
LeslieNg
发表于 2010-8-15 00:57:10
见好就收,优雅退场。
在那边的帖子中我最后以最积极正面建设性的笔调,为去芝加哥的斗商朋友给出一些我认为有用的建议,如下 (有空再改译成中文):
- Never cease to enrich your product knowledge.
- Improve your English. Always add "I think", "we believe" before any statement, and be cautious when making assertive comments, even if they're private and you do mean no harm. On the other hand, hold your horses a little when exhibit friendship or respect, as Asian style humility and brotherhood can easily be misinterpreted by the Western Culture, where independence and personal space are signatures.
- Consider to diversify your portfolio when you source, such as trying to include more sandblast pipes, and supporting new talents. Even if you know these pipes may temporarily run slower and make less, they may help you broader your customer base and make your inventories look more sumptuous. It may be good investments, too, in future thriving relationships.
- Help make Chicago or similar shows better venues, as long as you can. For more veteran Chinese buyers, help fellow buyers know more about the ins and outs of the show. Furthermore, try to help buyers from other younger markets, such as Russian, Eastern European, and Asian new booms, because they may face similar challenges just like you do / did.
- Think of criticism and negative comments, no matter what, good ways for you to become stronger and savvier.
并代表闹笑话的斗商朋友诚恳致歉,以表大国风范。
这次去人家那儿兴风作浪,起承转合都是多年经验的总结,都是为了整个群体的利益最大化而小心部署大胆进行的,有心人自然读得懂很多背后的含义。希望大家理解喜欢,起码我对结果感到非常满意。我想那个帖子的意义 (如果我们谈意义的话) 远非一般论坛耍嘴皮子那么简单,将对某些事物和关系产生长期深远的影响。
LeslieNg
发表于 2010-8-15 15:40:45
那边帖子还在继续,不过我已经金盆洗手、隔岸观火了。
开始时我的确还有点担心:会不会因为用非母语较量会吃亏或受欺凌,但发现很快就进入状态,且我意外发现线性文字因为本身更具逻辑性、更锋利精准(难怪上档次的机械及医学类文章都用德文),而使得我惯用的修饰性语言暴力风格更放得开更得心应手。假设上帝给我一个任务,命我用语言文章对人进行说理洗脑及精神摧残,并让我在中文或英文间二选一,毫无疑问我会选择后者。
jt
发表于 2010-8-15 16:57:25
hear! hear!
火星叔叔
发表于 2010-8-16 01:29:18
原帖由 Pan 于 2010-8-13 01:57 发表 http://bbs.pipevillage.org/images/common/back.gif
原来还有这些来龙去脉前因后果,但愿我之前在3楼说的没有添乱。实因国人实在太容易一哄而上,尤其一旦有了个正当理由、正确立场的时候,这种高尚情怀是歇斯底里的。群起而攻之,群起而拥之,似乎重要的不是攻还是拥, ...
感谢PAN兄的抬爱,小弟的英文水准加上GOOGLE翻译,还是不知道具体什么事
价值观这东西很奇怪,有时甚至邪恶,会点武术的流氓挺可爱,有点文化的无赖挺愁人的。。。
LeslieNg
发表于 2010-8-16 02:15:17
哈哈,其实那边我所谓最后一个帖子根本不是最后一贴,那叫 pre-close, 制造悬念的手段,同时本身是交际礼仪,毕竟突然讲 bye-bye 然后马上消失那太突兀无礼了:
Let's just make my previous post a pre-close, for politeness' sake. Here comes the finale:
Bottom line - they're BUYERS who may need some assistances; they're a group of guests afar coming to support your local economy. As long as we always keep this in mind, there's going to be no problem.
I'm really finished with this thread, no more encore, and adiós my friends!
啊,整个过程太审美了!
小雅
发表于 2010-8-18 00:55:39
我还是喜欢中文!(——那些英文在村长没翻译之前就不看了哈~)
咱们老祖宗的那些唐诗宋词多意境啊~~
LeslieNg
发表于 2010-10-17 02:06:46
博主刚写了一篇回应早先这事的博文,嗯,不错嘛:
http://www.apassionforpipes.com/neills-blog/2010/10/15/our-global-pipe-village.html#comments