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★请教:如近期去伦敦附近哪几款草值得带?★

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发表于 2012-6-14 23:00:19 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
以前在烟斗村拜读过《Dunhill 伦敦店专售手调烟草不完全目录》的帖子,部分内容如下:

据称,在英国伦敦 James 街 Jermyn 胡同(旧址就在拐角的 St.       Duke),Dunhill       老店夹层二楼出售的烟斗,价格是全球最高的;而有一期『Pipe       Smoke』杂志,就曾详尽地刊登了烟斗客到伦敦『朝圣』的攻略,其中,固然要用为数不少的文字,介绍伦敦 Dunhill       店。然而,这个版本的说法是:那里的烟斗选择较多,价格亦比美国约低三分之一,还有退税优惠(即顾客若非欧盟公民,就不用缴增值税(V.A.T.)。这个政策造成了欧洲人乐于跑去光顾美国人,美国人热衷于光顾欧洲人,或者所在地非在本州的网店……       无他,都为了避税)。

另:根据《Cigar       Aficionado》(《雪茄客》杂志)Sep / Oct 2001
介绍 Dunhill 新店的专题文章所附地址,和上列 Pipes.org 的有所差异,敬请留意:
      新店:21 Old Bond Street,       Mayfair, London
W1X 3DA. Tel.: 44 / 207-355-9500
      老店:48 Jermyn       Street, St. James's, London
SW1Y 6LX. Tel.: 44 /       207-290-8600
      
      另:而根据 Leslie Ng 手上的收据,老店的电话和传真号码则是:
      Tel.: (44) 020 7290 8600           Fax.: (44) 020 7290 8655


以下仅供参考:
      
(Leslie Ng:       Mr. Alfred's Own, White Spot,       Baby's Bottom 是       Dunhill 的三种传奇调配,小弟试过,风味非常棒!)




这个帖子现在搜索不到,但对村长列出的这三款Dunhill一直饶有兴趣,请教下各位现在伦敦还有出售英国产的Dunhill烟草的店吗?
如果能到伦敦及附近该去哪些地方看看?哪几款草值得带?海关限定能带多少?退税怎么申请?

另,本人以前一直偏好Dunhill 965,05年左右说的老板965非常醇厚,新版比较轻柔,都还不错。但2009年后的965口感相差很大,当时买了一批还真不便宜,堆了两年也没再开,改抽5110中。有的卖家说是Dunhill的烟草厂被并购给其它厂家了。一直也没得到关于这款草配方、制作工艺蜕变比较体系统的说法,现在国内见过四个不同的版本965,价格相差很大,各自其品质因没全试过无法比较不得而知,也想请教下体验过的高人们。

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好久没在村里见到你啦!
Dunhill 已在 04/05 年间全线撤走手调了,全世界的店都没了,包括伦敦老店。
但听说那条街那一片还有几家老的 tobacconists, 以前烟斗的黄金时期,那条街是个集散地。隐约记得 Sobranie 也是在那条街起家的。

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发表于 2012-6-15 20:02:56 | 显示全部楼层
这次是头一次去伦敦,只让我外甥带我去了村内人登出的一家店,可惜没找着,可孩子还要考试(类似于初升高,挺重要),我也就没落实烟斗店地址的事,以后有机会会落实的

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-17 23:18:34 | 显示全部楼层
感谢村长和兴隆兄解答。请教几家老的tobacconists具体在哪段路?
09年去新疆,10年去阿里、尼泊尔、印度走了圈,回来一直忙家里的事,2年没抽斗,有挺久没来村里了。
近年的Dunhill草让我有点失望,以前挖了个地下室准备存放烟草、茶、印石的,如今变成堆放杂物的仓库了,现在翻出壁橱里以前存的少量老版965都不舍得开- -!既使是05年后10年前这段时间的也比现在的965好太多了。
还有款喜欢的草:Solani - 369 Blue Label,难得抽上一斗香甜醇和,抽完也很纯净,没什么杂味。一直也没搞清楚是其中哪些成分或者是么调配带来的美好香味。但后来也买不到,据说不做这款了。

计划八月份去英国作艺术设计方面的学术交流,主要在南安普顿、伦敦周围,现在在等签证。希望能找些值得品、藏的草和有意思的东西,诸如老的sterling的纯银烟盒、烟灰缸等。听以前去过的一校友说伦敦市区有个超大的二手市场,不过她不抽斗所以对这方面没留意过。
还请前辈们赐教。

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-4 14:47:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 LeslieNg 于 2012-6-15 01:41 发表
好久没在村里见到你啦!
Dunhill 已在 04/05 年间全线撤走手调了,全世界的店都没了,包括伦敦老店。
但听说那条街那一片还有几家老的 tobacconists, 以前烟斗的黄金时期,那条街是个集散地。隐约记得 Sobranie 也 ...


请教一下是新店还是老店所处的哪条街?具体位置?

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印象中应该是 St. James, 在过去烟草艺术的黄金时期,是个集散地。但遗憾英国本人从没去过,所以都是道听途说。

在《卫报》网站还搜到一篇有趣的相关文章,有兴趣可看看:



Christmas cigars, Balkan Sobranie and the last days of tobacco


The atmosphere of a golden age clings to Edward S Sahakian's shop in St James's

In Britain, snorting cocaine is now a far more easily taken pleasure than smoking tobacco and it is surprising to remember that until late in the last century I used to buy my father cigars for Christmas. There are now perhaps only half a dozen tobacconists in London - proper tobacconists, that is, stocked with more than Silk Cut and throwaway lighters. Holborn has one, and there's another in Mount Street, Mayfair, and Smith's snuff shop is still open for business in the Charing Cross Road. In other British cities they have been wiped out completely. What you might call the remaining concentration of London tobacconists - two shops out of three or four times as many 20 years ago - lies in St James's, that little territory between Piccadilly and The Mall. The Dunhill store, which to the affluent smoker in far-flung Hong Kong or Buenos Aires was once a place of pilgrimage, now sells everything but tobacco, perhaps even sideboards. "No, we don't do tobacco for more than three years now," said the Eastern European assistant at the door. "You must try that place across the street."I walked to Davidoff, on the corner of Jermyn and St James's streets, wondering about the ritual of Christmas cigar-smoking. What brand had I given Dad? Perhaps Wills' Whiffs? Schimmelpennincks certainly - not fat cigars but thin Dutch cheroots (a cheroot has both ends clipped) that came in long packets of five. And then, when I began to earn more, actual cigars in those wooden boxes sealed with old-fashioned certificates and stamps that you had to slit open with a knife. Did my father, a pipe-smoker, even like cigars? It used to be said of Harold Wilson that in private he was a serious cigar smoker who smoked a pipe only for public effect, pipes suggesting reliability, but I suspect that in Dad it was the other way around, that he smoked his Christmas cigars because for a day or two it suggested an equally false recklessness and luxury.

At Davidoff, I sat in an armchair and looked around the shop as I waited for the owner, Mr Edward S Sahakian. Smoking, like the surgery that often follows it, has spawned a whole array of instruments: pipes, pipe-cleaners, pipe-racks, pipe-knives, spills to be lit from open fires, cigar-cutters, cigar-boxes, humidors, ashtrays. The effect at Davidoff is rather like a museum of vanishing pleasure, with a tub of long-handled shoe horns also on display as a sort of memento mori, a reminder that smoking makes breath shorter and arteries harder so that in the end getting a shoe on is a feat of bending and straining accompanied possibly by regret about so many cigars. You never think about these things until you are 60, when suddenly you do, but Mr Sahakian, who must be about that age, bore no hint of this as he moved quickly between customers, shaking hands, recommending this cigar over that, telling a man with a broken Cartier lighter that he would have to take it back to Cartier.

"Cartier! They're crap aren't they, my dear fellow?" said the man, who wore his long coat open with a woollen scarf knotted at the neck - if a uniform exists in St James's, this is it. The scarf is usually red.

"Ah, but you should have bought a Davidoff," said Mr Sahakian, who, with his brownish suit and smooth domed head, looks rather like a neat cigar himself. His lapel had a badge promoting National Smoking Day.

How was trade? Trade was changing, said Mr Sahakian. Once the main market was men in their 50s, now it was younger people who bought fewer but pricier. Still, the sheer difficulty of smoking - or at least of smoking somewhere warm - presented very large obstacles. Inside Davidoff, for example, it is possible to smoke a cigar but not a cigarette or a pipe. The reason is a clause in the law that allows smokers to "sample" from an individual example.

Sealed pipe-tobacco tins don't allow this. The pipe-smoker is confined to the wild outdoors, choosing from a rapidly shrinking range of brands and often asking at the counter, like elderly madmen in pursuit of the dodo, for the long extinct. "Baby's Bottom, Three Nuns, Lloyd's Bondsman, even Balkan Sobranie ... all gone." I asked about a Dunhill brand called Early Morning Pipe, which had the most beautiful tin, light blue shot through with the yellow rays of a rising sun, a brilliant red cockerel in the foreground. "Finished. A gentleman came in this week and said he would take every tin we had. He took the last 25 tins."

St James's other tobaccanist, Fox's, still has quaint old statues of smoking Red Indians at the door but when I arrived a man (long Crombie coat, red scarf) was being chucked out for lighting a cigar (not sampled but bought) on the premises. There were still a few tins of Dunhill's 'The Royal Yacht' and I thought I should have one as a souvenir, until I discovered that the legend SMOKING KILLS, obscuring half the Edwardian design, was part of the tin and unpeelable. I asked about Christmas Mixture and Early Morning Pipe. "Gone, gone, gone, gone. Finished. All over," shouted the tobacconist as if he was bitterly remembering the destruction of a golden age, or tolling the end of one.

I like this bit of London, partly because the atmosphere of a golden age still clings to it. Eating welsh rarebit at Fortnum's, I heard someone say "frightfully". Up and down Jermyn Street there are all those shirt and suit shops - Hilditch & Key, Turnbull & Asser, Hawes & Curtis - whose names recall partnerships of young men with needles and thread, or maybe one had the money and the other the skill. In these shops, assistants call useable handkerchiefs "nose-blowers" as opposed to the decorative kind stuffed into jacket top pockets; and people still buy shooting sticks, port decanters, hip-flasks, and marine paintings by Montague Dawson.

At Bates, I asked about a hat, something in felt like a Borsalino. One was too rigid. Had they anything softer? Yes. But I thought the softer was too light. "That would be the case, sir. Softer means lighter." As always in shops such as this, you sense the looming danger of being found out as a parvenu by superior Jeeveses who, when they close the shop and take their manners off, must catch the bus home to a small-waged domesticity, which the next day, helping the rich out of their money, they somehow forget to resent.

None of this was unexpected. The surprise was that the streets were so English, that with four shopping days to Christmas there were so few Americans, Europeans, Indians and Japanese. An over-valued pound is blamed, just as online shopping, falling house prices and the predicted meaner City bonuses are blamed for a fall in sales in everything other than luxury foods. And this was visibly so: crowds in Fortnum's buying foie gras "gift sets" for £60 and, across Piccadilly, empty jewellery boutiques in the Burlington Arcade. A Christmas that sells fewer goods than the previous Christmas is a bad Christmas; which is why, in a cheerful Boxing Day walnut shell, industrial capitalism will eventually destroy itself, and us.

It was another cold bright day in a week of them. The weather is never a symptom of economic mood; who in London last week walked under the blue skies and denied anxiety? At Claridges in the evening, I saw another man in scarf and long coat leave the bar and take a lighter and old cigar from his pocket, saying to his friends, "I need my fix."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2007/dec/22/mainsection.ianjack

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-7-10 14:14:31 | 显示全部楼层
感谢村长的信息和指导:)
两周前让在英国的校友帮我打听下伦敦的市场,貌似现在专门的烟草店挺难找- -

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