最近收藏的dunhill紀念斗。
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我想请问各位擁有过dunhill斗的朋友,你们抽dunhill斗会覺的比較好抽吗?
{指的是味道上.}
因办有一个斗友常和我说dunhill是斗客必備斗..
你个人認為呢?"
[此贴子已经被作者于2004-2-18 12:40:21编辑过]
oolong1688兄：
如果你是想追求一支好抽的煙斗，那dunhill不見得是你需要擁有的，並非它不好，只是有太多好的煙斗品牌可以讓你選擇了，如果你不介意其他的煙斗可能稍稍有點小瑕疵(補土、砂眼.......)。
但是一支煙斗的好與壞，我個人的看法在於木頭，你應該去選擇強調是用較老的石楠木來製作的煙斗，我相信它的散熱會優於年輕的石楠木，或許它紋路美麗、無瑕疵、奇特造型，但若是太年輕，它還是無法成為一支好煙斗，這是我對煙斗的定義，是有點極端，但我深信不疑。
我有幾支dunhill，除了兩支屬於限量斗，捨不得抽以外，另外四支dunhill的實用斗，最好抽的是紋路最醜的那一支，反而紋路較美的環狀噴砂反而普普通通。我的朋友們所使用的dunhill，每支的紋路都亂七八糟，但它真的是好抽的。dunhill也有製造不良的煙斗，我見過，但那或許是個案，不足以推翻dunhill的美名。
dunhill的煙斗歷史悠久，從1910年至今，豐富的歷史背景，強調使用老的根留，縱然是噴砂斗，我沒見過比它更美麗的，當然，我所說的是絕大多數都很好，如果要挑剔，在2000年至2002年這三年，在選材方面似乎有退步，但在2003年又恢復好的水準，當然，這是我以我自己見過的dunhill煙斗所做的判斷，未必客觀。畢竟我沒見過這世上所有的dunhill煙斗。僅以我見過的作評論罷了。
沒人會懷疑dunhill所具有的收藏價值是非常高的，你如果有常在逛歐洲的煙斗網站，就知我所說不假，古董的dunhill價格縱然抽過，其價格仍然能夠維持在40% - 50%左右，也有可能會比現在全新的更貴，這是因為許多收藏家們相信老的dunhill所使用的石楠木更好、更老。如果是更特殊的dunhill，其收藏價值是難以估計的，以1989年卓別林逝世100週年紀念斗來說(限量300支)，我的朋友打算以畢身積蓄購買它，但是.....根本買不到。
或許你的朋友會認為擁有它，至少一支也好，這樣的想法並沒有錯，它的歷史是無人得以取代的。縱然是廉價的實用斗，它都是值得擁有一支。 謝謝!epos兄的指点..令我大悟!我其實一直有想買dunhill斗的心.但是每次在纲站看到dunhill斗和它的價钱時,就有一点買不下手..感觉.因为dunhill斗看起來吸引不到我.
每支的紋路都亂七八糟.當然也有好看的木纹,但價钱動不動就5-600us.如果不理什么历史,名气和收藏價值的话.也真的有太多的撰擇.......
只是我認識到的那位斗友一直和我说,dunhill斗在制作时是百中撰一.还要浸在一種獨家的油(dunhill的秘密武器)一段日子.因此dunhill斗一开斗便(味道上)很好抽.很甜.很明显
和一般的煙斗有很大的分别......(我上次也聽他介绍了一个名家斗给我.我花约600us右左,
但抽起來和一般的斗沒什広分別.當然在觀賞上分别就很大.360度直纹)
想请问一下epos兄,你是那裡人?? 个人感觉，360度直纹都不是dunhill的特色，dunhill绝对不是靠木纹吸引人的阿。本人对dunhill这样的奢侈品牌，从来不是很感冒，有一位村友说的对，奢侈品牌最求得是高价，而并不是精益求精。比如小弟就用waterman的钢笔，对于montblanc的钢笔，也不感冒。
当然，能够拥有一个，还是应该的，我准备搞一个，这边很多都是100镑的dunhill斗，我感觉搞一个，就够了。没有必要搞太好的。 epos兄 您好 相當不錯的倫敦大橋紀念斗 確實是值得珍藏 雖然不少煙斗客對近年來Dunhill煙斗的品質產生質疑 並且對其與品質不符的過高售價產生諸多不滿 但在下認為 雖然近年來Dunhill煙斗在質量上不如過去的老斗 這是不爭的事實 但是在選材以及用料上 雖然不算是最上乘 但也算是有一定的水準 至於為何其煙斗的售價仍然被認為是偏高 許多煙斗客認為是"名牌"因素作祟 在斗嘴上加個小白點 價錢就多了數倍 姑且先不論製作煙斗所耗費的成本 各位不妨想一想Dunhill煙斗在產品的定位 分級 分類 包裝 行銷...等等 所花費的費用其實是一筆相當龐大的數字 無論是一般等級的煙斗 乃至於年年發行的Xmas pipe 以及其他不定期的限量斗 都有嚴謹的分級分類 而限量斗在包裝上更是精緻到令人愛不釋手 這些行銷上的花費自然必須反映在產品的價格上 在下認為 無疑的 當今世界上的眾多煙斗品牌 Dunhill的行銷策略算是最成功的 至於值不值得購買 則是見仁見智 在此須鄭重聲明一點 在下並非盲目崇拜Dunhill 只是就一些分享一些自身的觀點而已 在下與貓兄一樣 對Dunhill不奢求 但也不感冒
原來貓兄用waterman的鋼筆 在下對鋼筆也有些興趣 算是小有收藏 最喜歡的是Pelikan 不知貓兄是否也有此嗜好 呵呵，本人对钢笔实用性超过收藏性，玩钢笔可是消耗战阿，一支好钢笔可是不少钱呢。我一直在赞钱买一台15万左右的钢琴，当然还先要赞钱买一个放这台琴的地方，同时又是hi-fi友，这样的情况下，不容的我四面出击阿。好不容易算是把业余无线电这个开销大户瘾头戒除掉。 dunhill的烟斗，我准备还是要去琢磨一个回来的。毕竟，这个东西，似乎在英国的价格不是很贵，大部分的价格在70-150左右，我准备去搞一个硼砂的，也算了却一个心愿 的確！dunhll的噴砂斗並不算貴，我在台灣，通常也是透過網路，向國外訂購，價格算是便宜，如果是在耶誕節前夕，有些煙斗商店還會打85折喔。有許多人說，dunhill太貴，這應該是中國、香港或台灣所訂的價格跟歐洲不同，有點炒作。
我曾經與一位美國的收藏家討論過煙斗選材的問題，他認為，再第二次世界大戰前dunhill所製作的煙斗，所選用的石楠木的才是最好的，目前dunhill的木頭比起過去可差的遠呢！
我問他，好的石楠木的缺乏不只是dunhill面臨，所有的煙斗製造商或手工師傅一樣面臨相同的問題，那你認為有哪一個品牌煙斗的選材是你認為滿意的？
他的回答是讓人失望的，他說，其他的品牌所使用的石楠木，在年份上，根本不值得一提，連dunhill都沒好木頭了，其他的品牌煙斗或手工師傅也只是拿一些爛木頭充數罷了，現在唯一能做的就是在石楠木的乾燥處理上，以彌補年份上的不足。
或許這位收藏家是極端了點，大家認為呢？
我觉得，没有问题，因为反正资源也没有了，这个东西，又不是可以renewable的，逝去了，就没有了，要么去二手市场，就好像说道steinway钢琴，现在60年代二手琴的价格，一点也不低，就是这个道理，那个时候，也是steinway的黄金时期，工艺非常成熟，还有好木头。现在的崭新的steinway钢琴，早就没有那种音色了。上海大剧院的那台，简直不能入耳，根据内部消息，这个琴马上就会要出现在二手市场了哈。但是上海音乐厅的那台60年代老旧琴，音色，真好，没得说。
我经常去的上海最牛的钢琴翻修厂，那个厂长，竟然说，如果我要，他把他的那台60年代steinway4尺半琴卖给我，我说我没钱，他说他准备3年后卖，哎，我准备看看能不能赞够这笔钱。音色，简直就是，反正有了她，我烟斗都可以不要了。老婆，估计会打死我的，毕竟要2、3十万阿。而且还要把那台琴调整到最佳状态，还需要一笔钱。呵呵
好了，越说越远，给大家一份资料，比较简单的dunhill早期介绍
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翻译我就懒惰了，
THE DUNHILL PIPE:
A COMPARISON OF
THEN AND NOW
We are pleased to introduce R.D. "David" Field as a new Associate Editor. David was recommended by Ben Rapaport who sent us the following article which Mr. Field had written last year. David is employed by the city of Philadelphia as a social worker. He is regarded as an expert on Dunhill Pipes and is also knowledgeable on Castellos and other brands. At forty-one· years old, David has been a pipe smoker for many years and has dealt extensively in pre-smoked collectibles. he has had articles printed abroad ("Amici della Pipa" and "Smoking") and should be welcome to the staff of PIPE SMOKER.
As a pipe collector, a pipe hobbyist, and as a Dunhill principal pipe dealer, I hear comments over and over again about the comparative merits of the older pipes versus the newer models. Most discussion centers on the quality of the briar and the sweetness of the smoke. I hear comments such as "1 love my old Dunhill pipes, but these new ones ... 1 don't know."
People I consider to be very knowledgeable on the subject of 20th Century briar swear that, by far, the sweetest smoke comes from those Dunhill pipes bearing a patent number (pre-1955); they will not even smoke those made after 1968, believed to be of substandard quality.
The used pipe trade has followed the same trend - patent number Dunhills are commanding a higher price than those made from 1955-1968, and a still higher price than those made after 1968.
Due to the mystique surrounding the older Dunhill pipe, there is, indeed, a need to explore any factual basis behind the "myth". This, reader, is the purpose of this article.
Let's look at a bit of history behind the Dunhill pipe - from its inception to present day production. Alfred Dunhill was a rather inventive fellow, having taken a harness making concern into the automobile age by turning it to the manufacturer of auto accessories, and then operating as a "patent consultant". When he opened a tobacconist shop in 1907, he knew nothing beyond the ordinary of pipes, tobacco, and the art of blending. His curious mind prompted him to listen to his customers' wants and then to try different methods to satisfy those wants. By early 1910, Dunhill was ready to offer his own make of pipe as an alternative to those coming from France that were highly varnished and so clogged the pores of the briar. These first pipes were of two distinct internal designs: one followed the French design that is the standard non-filter design of today; the other, the "absorbal" pipe, used a circular cellulose filter that was pushed into the hollowed-out body of the pipe shank. It is interesting to note here that these first Dunhill pipes and all Dunhill pipes made through 1919 had French-turned bowls that were then finished in London by the Dunhill firm.
In 1912, Dunhill invented and patented the "inner tube", an aluminum insert designed to keep the pipe "innards" clean; in 1915, the "white spot" appeared to help the customer know which side of the hand-cut vulcanite stem should be uppermost; 1917 saw the introduction of the first Dunhill sandblast - the "shell".
In producing the "shell", Dunhill used only Algerian briar, then in great abundance, because it had a softer character than the Italian briar used in the smooth "bruyere" finish. This soft character, in combination with the heat derived from Dunhill's unique oil curing process, led to an unusually deep and craggy sandblasted pipe. In the early years of production, Dunhill would not even stamp shape numbers on his "shell" pipes, since the shape of identically turned bowls varied so after curing and sandblasting.
Dunhill's "root briar" was introduced in 1930 (by this time, Alfred Dunhill was two years into retirement and his brother Herbert had charge of the business) and the light brown finish proved highly popular in America, less so in Europe. Next, some twenty three years later, came the "tanshell" a sandblasted Sardinian briar with a tan or brown finish. It took twenty-six more years before another finish - the "cumberland" - appeared. The cumberland is also sandblasted, has a dark brown finish, a smooth beveled top, and a bi-color vulcanite stem (this same stem first appeared in 1930 on the root briar).
As I mentioned previously, no Dunhill pipe was completely fashioned in England until 1920 when a bowl-turning section was opened in the London factory. Before this time "turned" but unfinished pipe bowls were imported from France and then finished, oil-cured and, in the case of "shells", sandblasted in London.
The briar situation must be investigated in order to compare the new Dunhill pipe with the old there have been changes. Originally, Italian briar had been used for the "bruyere" and "root", Algerian for the "shell", and Sardinian for the "tanshell". The age of the briar used, averaged between 60 and 100 years. In the 1960's, the briar situation changed drastically. The Algerian supply slowed to a trickle, and the Italian government declared that its briar could only be used by pipe makers within its borders. To that time, Dunhill had a virtual monopoly on briar supply; now it had to search for new sources and could no longer reserve one type of briar for one pipe finish.
This change was readily apparent in the "shell" finish. Deprived of Algerian briar, Dunhill had to use Grecian briar, a harder variety, and so the "shell" pipe now received a more shallow sandblast. As well, the wood was less aged between 50 and 80 years. Additionally, the briar burls were smaller and had more flaws, so there were less perfect bowls being turned, and - more waste! Conversely, the new briar was harder, lighter, and had much better grain than the old. Dunhill was never known for beautiful grain patterns in its smooth-finished pipes, but those produced today are outstanding when compared with those of twenty years ago.
In the manufacture of a quality pipe, much attention is paid to making and fitting the stem, or mouthpiece. Injection-molding methods are not used here; instead, each mouthpiece is hand-cut from sheet or rod vulcanite; the tenon is hand-cut and hand shaped to the correct circumference; and the mouthpiece is then hand-fitted to the pipe. The original Dunhill mouthpiece had quite a thick lip that I personally find quite uncomfortable. The "comfy" mouthpiece, with a thinner and wider lip, was developed in the 1920's, and the "F/T" (fishtail) mouthpiece was designed in the 1930's. In 1976, faced with rising labor costs, the firm used a mouthpiece-cutting machine. The machined mouthpieces had a very thick lip (much like the pre "comfy" lip); complaints poured in and the machine was scrapped. Present-day mouthpieces have a lip thickness somewhere between the "comfy" and the "F/T".
I have visited the Dunhill pipe factory three times in the past two years and on each visit, I have had the opportunity not only to view every facet of pipe production, but also to converse with those in charge of production. During my visit in December 1980, I had a long conversation with David Webb, factory manager. Mr. Webb has been with Dunhill for the past five years, has been factory manager since late 1979, and is very knowledgeable. I had brought my personal collection of thirteen unsmoked Dunhills dating from 19201927 - nine bruyeres and four shells and three 1920 vintage "shells" that I smoke. As Mr. Webb looked them over, he laughed: "If these shell briars came out of production today, half of them would land in the reject bin."
Stunned, I asked: "Why?"
"In the case of the billiard, that's a very deep sandblast in spots, taking away about half the wall thickness; and the shank is out of line. The mouthpiece on the smaller billiard is much too thick where it meets the shank and would have to be cut down. The Prince is totally off-shape on one side of the bowl."
I protested, stating that these were the very reasons for their great character.
"Yes, they do add character. And, to my mind, they are beautiful pipes. We can make them like this but ..." and he went on to explain that because Dunhill sells to a worldwide market, the firm tends to get pushed and pulled in different directions at the same time. On the Continent and in the Far East, there is no demand for deeply-shelled pipes; furthermore, these will often be returned to the factory as "not of Dunhill quality".
An associate of David Webb, Bill Taylor, told me of the time he was working in quality control at the factory. Richard Dunhill came by and picked up one of the "shells" Bill rejected.
"Why is this in the reject bin?"
"Because the sandblast is too deep and uneven."
"This pipe has character. Send it to America. Americans know good pipes!"
The Dunhill pipe has always been synonymous with the word quality in pipe making. Much of this value judgment, I feel, has to do with the firm's unique "oil curing" process invented by Alfred Dunhill. This process, in my estimation, does three things - it makes the tobacco taste unusually "nutty"; it has a very low rate of bowl "burn-out" compared with other makes; and, it helps the pipe to smoke well even after many years. This process is still very closely guarded by the firm and is not normally shown to visitors. I was shown the process because I brought a copy of the original patent with me and specifically raised the issue.
In order to discern quality in a pipe, one has to look at only a few things (of course much of the real judgment is in the smoking): the turned and bored bowl; the shank bore; the tenon/ferrule connection; the lip of the mouthpiece; the look and feel of the finish. Dunhill, I submit, has as high a standard of quality as it has ever had. This does not mean that every Dunhill released for sale, today, is a perfect pipe, for some are not! What it does mean is that the percentage of imperfect Dunhills is no greater today than, say, 1924. I have discovered two imperfect pipes in my 1920-1927 collection.
According to David Webb, the Dunhill pipe did have a problem in the mid-1970's, not so much with quality as with the outward signs of quality. Those in charge of policy at the time decided that the "shell" must be totally black and shiny - a blue-black stain was used, eliminating any reddish highlights. At the same time, the "bruyere" finish was lightened from its original plum color. These two changes have dampened the pipe's reputation and may be the cause for some criticism I have heard; but, even with these pipes, the underlying quality is still there. Since that time, of course, there has been a return to the original "bruyere" finish, and the new "deep shell" has reached our shores in limited quantity.
In comparing the Dunhill pipe of yesterday with that of today, what stands out is the continual evolvement of the pipe:
· The original mouthpiece has changed to "comfy" to "FAT", to machine-made, and then to present-day standard - gaining and losing lip thickness with each change.
· The briar has changed - age and the custom of reserving one type of briar for one finish have given way to gains in hardness, lightness, and better grain pattern.
· The sandblasted "shell" has changed - losing a very deep blast and gaining uniformity; then, regaining its deep, if more uniform blast.
With these changes, the Dunhill standard of excellence has not diminished, at least in my practiced eye. Today's Dunhill pipe is not worse than yesterday's; it is not better than yesterday's; it is . . . different than yesterday's!
EDITOR'S NOTE: After discussing this article with David Field, we learned that there will be a sequel which will discuss in detail, the identification of Dunhill pipes. This will include an analysis of the nomenclature which enables the knowledgeable collector to know Dunhills. This article will appear in a future edition of PIPE SMOKER.
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