GunsNroses 发表于 2009-8-18 02:51:50

新人求助,隔夜草到底能不能抽

新人刚入门抽斗2月不足,入手过德国四季,海军方块几种调味烟。最近刚抽拉森20.
似乎感觉调味烟一但熄火稍放片刻口味便大不如前
特别的隔夜的,有几次晚上懒得清理第二天一抽感觉那个味 ,没有一丝香味。特别是海军方块。那种酸酸甜甜的美味荡然无存。
原味烟倒似乎好些,放置一段时间倒好像感觉更有丝丝甜味,不知是不是心理作用

敬请教各位前辈
为什么放久了的烟丝为什么那么不好抽,是不是因为烟油积存渗透的原因
隔夜草应该是不能抽的吧

还有就是想问问海军方块到底该咋装填合适,每次碳化不少,再吸起来太难抽了。甚为可惜。

望不吝赐教

9999 发表于 2009-8-18 11:22:29

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不管是原味还是调味,最好一斗到底,隔夜抽就像吃剩菜,总是不对味。

怀念的老枪 发表于 2009-8-18 17:21:03

我看还是不要抽隔夜草了,,,,
那味道实在是受不了,,,,
我的海军方块一般是不都弄的太碎,,,
最上面洒些撮碎的好点些,,,、
抽剩的还是建议你倒掉算了,,,
祝抽斗愉快!!!!

bayonet 发表于 2009-8-18 17:43:32

抽是可以抽 但味道会变 变好变坏 因烟而异
变味原因 吸烟斗时 由于气流方向 焦油越往下会越多 斗丝燃烧 焦油渗出 斗丝熄灭 焦油渗回烟里 接着冷凝 焦油量就比原来高了 所以变味
还有一点 有时烟丝燃烧温度高 下面的烟丝被烤干了 这时熄火 冷却 直到第二次吸 斗里剩余的烟丝重新吸收潮气和焦油 也会导致变味
若一次抽完 以上问题可忽略
另外海军没抽过 不清楚 但我装什么烟都是瓶塞式
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XNTE0ODc5MzY=.html 希望对你有帮助
经验之谈 有不足之处 请各位补充

GunsNroses 发表于 2009-8-18 20:11:57

谢谢老枪的赐教,你觉得海军方块碾碎了影响风味吗?

每次我也是基本碾开上面碎的铺一层来抽的,好像没直接点味道好
但直接点很难着啊
个人感觉碾碎后很容易干,特别提前碾碎的
干了抽起来倒有点像纯v草了,酸甜味很难感觉到,得加湿

jt 发表于 2009-9-19 18:49:00

因烟而异..

DGT--delayed-gratification technique

Paul Szabady

It seems that many dedicated Virginia flake smokers have happened onto
this technique and it's good to hear to hear that it has helped you gain
access to the wonder of some exquisite tobaccos. Spread the Word!
Virginias are the sneakiest and most mercurial of tobaccos, so much so
that many pipe-smoking primers advised smokers NOT to smoke them! Ah! the
Loss!
Extracting maximum enjoyment from them does require some dedication and
if not treated right, they can seem to fall flat: being either tart and
sting-y, or flavorless. But with the correct technique, they bloom!
The other wonderful aspect to the 'delayed-gratification technique' (DGT)
is that it allows exploration of the true flavors of some of the
'lighter' flakes, which incorporate a good deal of bright virginia. Now
bright virginia has the reputation of being the worst offender in terms
of sting and flatness, but it is also true that it has the most complex
and delicate of virginia flavors and aromas: getting them to reveal
themselves is the problem.
I, like many smokers, either passed them by (favoring the darker, red and
black virginia-based flakes, and those laced with perique) or smoked them
in very rich-flavored pipes in order to raise the flavor level. The DG
technique allows the gentler, but no less satisfying flavors of these
'light' flakes to come through in all their deliciousness, richness,   
sublety and complexity. It also seems to maximize the aroma the burning
tobacco produces that rises from the bowl (not the smoke, but what I call
'the nose.': it underlies and envelops the smoke).
Another technique is to smoke only 1/2 to 2/3 bowls. I came across this
by accident, when because of profligate pipe-buying, it seemed like every
pipe I smoked was being broken-in. The smaller charge allows an often
welcome shortening of the smoking time (sometimes 2-2 1/2 hours is just
too long) while still maintaining the classic crescendo/climax of the
tobacco: you just get there sooner!
Once in the climactic 'zone' the technique of 'breath smoking' comes into
play as a means of maximizing the flavor and aroma. This involves slow
and regular respiration (preferably seated and relaxed) through one's
nose, while taking only the slightest, slowest of puffs of smoke with
one's lips, to which the pipe is held constantly. Occasionally the smoke
can be released into the pipe very gently, raising just the faintest wisp
of smoke from the bowl. The 'nose' of that wisp is heavenly!
Flake smoking also seems to benefit from smaller pipes - the intimacy and
control just seem to synergize. It's also the reason why so many UK pipes
are so small: you don't need a big honker of a pipe to get a long smoke.
2 1/2 hour smokes are possible from small half-filled Peterson bulldogs
and Group 2 and 3 Dunhills. Since the US is so size-obsessed, buying the
smaller, lower-priced pipes can be a real bargain.
Finally, there is the problem of taste acclimatization. Many smokers of
very robust, very obvious flavored tobaccos (English and aromatic alike)
sometimes find Virginia flakes too 'light' or flavor-less. McClelland
used to recommend that smoking up to 4 oz. of flake Virginia was
necessary to allow the palate to adjust to the more subtle and gentler
flavors. Once adjusted to, and smoked correctly, they don't seem light at
all.
The coming of summer and its associated desire for lighter flavors in
food and tobacco is a great time for smoking straight virginia. I've just
ordered 9 new (to me) flake virginias and scored 3 Savinelli Capri/Sea
Coral/Coralo pipes along with 2 Ardors: it's going to be a good summer..
Paul Szabady

伦子 发表于 2009-9-22 19:23:32

为什么要抽隔夜的呢?
就算不隔夜,烟草灭了,冷了再点都不好抽。
我觉得任何草都一样的。

大番茄 发表于 2009-10-16 06:48:53

试了一次,隔夜的烟草都干了...味道也有点怪怪的。

优游铁观音 发表于 2009-10-17 09:53:25

有一次,剩半斗烟草隔夜了
第二天早上,因为有事,不能抽一斗烟草
就拿起隔夜的那半斗烟草,重新点燃抽
味道当然是变了
但是,味道好极了
忘记是哪一款烟草了,肯定是L味的原味烟草
因此,俺的结论是:
大多数烟草抽剩隔夜以后的味道都变差而不能抽了
也会有烟草抽剩隔夜以后的味道变好抽
不过,俺不会刻意求之

m.c. 发表于 2009-10-17 12:56:01

谢谢Jacts。DGT(延迟享受法:抽一半后放下凉晾,隔段时间再抽),第一次看到,有意思。我没有刻意这样试过,但是就刚刚点火或前三分之一斗来说,一段时间的延迟确实有助于降低温度、放慢节奏,让人更耐心平和地享受烟草味。这又让我联想起了最后1/5斗,很多人都是倒掉,大多数时候我也是,但有些时候却发发现最后的斗底味道尤其美妙,烟味浓浓,还带点焦糊味,同时又不那么呛人,但这种现象通常都是出现在装草均匀、压棒使用比较细心,抽烟节奏比较沉稳的情况下,可见隔夜草和斗底草究竟好不好抽跟当时的心境、技巧以及烟草品质等其他因素都有关系。
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